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queerbychoice ([personal profile] queerbychoice) wrote2004-10-08 06:21 pm

Debate

"People love America. Sometimes they don't like the decisions made by America."
     —George W. Bush, in the debate just now
Uh, so what exactly do people love about America? The fast food?

I think Bush is coming across even more stupidly in this debate than in the first one.

Edit: This quote from Bush was even better: "I hear there's rumors on the, uh . . . 'inter-nets'? . . . about a draft?"

He seriously pronounced it as though he'd never heard of the thing.

Further Edit: Bush actually feels it's necessary to carefully specify, when asked who he would appoint to the Supreme Court, that he wouldn't appoint justices to the Supreme Court who would rule that slavery is constitutional??? Good goddess, we really are in desperate straits if there's doubt over whether Bush is going to manage to re-institute slavery. And then the most ridiculous part was that Bush brought this up in the context of saying he would only appoint judges who adhere strictly to the intentions of the constitution, and he said he would not appoint a judge who would support slavery because the constitution doesn't require that, the constitution says that people are all - and here it seemed like he was about to say "equal," but then he stopped and seemed to have vaguely recalled that in fact the constitution actually said different races aren't equal, so he changed the subject and left the sentence unfinished.

. . . And OMG, someone just asked Bush to admit he made wrong decisions and cite three specific decisions where he did the wrong thing!!!! Naturally he's merely replying by refusing to name any of them. [livejournal.com profile] disi is exactly right though, in saying that "the most aggravating part of all though" about this question was "Kerry's response. All he needed to say was that he was unable to respond to the president's answer because HE FAILED TO PROVIDE ONE." Kerry's actual response was not nearly that pointed, and ought to have been.

[identity profile] cantstopthedawn.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
That's possible??

[identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
Hate the sin, love the sinner!

[identity profile] cheeser1.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
did you think he was blinking way too much? cause i did.

i apprecaite how you articulate these ideas though, you're much more eloquent than i tend to be. of course, you know this if you've read my journal this evening. alot of swearing and all-caps typing.

[identity profile] disi.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, my entry was pretty much that same way.
my dad and i just sat there with our mouths open and then i said "excuse me, i have to go get online."

and you're right on with the blinking thing. what was that, fucking morse code?

[identity profile] cukoo4cocopuffs.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
I thought Kerry shoulda called him out on that being the last question and how Bush didn't come out and answer it. I was hoping with all hope that Kerry would point that out, but he didn't. Shucks.
He didn't address some stuff he said and I was like "jump on that pony before it leaves the stable." I wanna see how the press reacts to Bush not adhering to the rules of the debates by telling Charles he wanted to speak.

[identity profile] cheeser1.livejournal.com 2004-10-09 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah, subliminimambel messages. hehe.

[identity profile] violin.livejournal.com 2004-10-11 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
I agree RE kerry's response. He should've called him on that. The moderator should've smacked bush down a bit more, but that's neither here nor there.

I think that with this style of debate there's an element of each candidate answering each question, not merely repsoponding to the other's answer. To that end, I wonder how it would've played if Kerry had called bush on not answering, called him on what his answer should've been, and then admitted to some mistakes of his own. Not necessarily 3, but just sorta saying "I too have made mistakes. I'm not above owning up to them and trying to make things as right as I can though." The contrast with Bush would've been interesting, and perhaps useful.

Justice Slavery Comment == Code

[identity profile] trysha.livejournal.com 2004-10-12 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
Bush actually feels it's necessary to carefully specify, when asked who he would appoint to the Supreme Court, that he wouldn't appoint justices to the Supreme Court who would rule that slavery is constitutional???

I was confused by this as well - but, it makes perfect sense.

In pro-life circles, the Dredd Scott decision that reinforced slaves as property is the same as Roe v. Wade. That is, the "unborn human" is a slave, the property of the mother.

So, "justices who would rule slavery is constitutional" = "justices who would uphold roe v. wade".

He just phrased it as code that only pro-lifers would understand.