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queerbychoice ([personal profile] queerbychoice) wrote2004-11-10 12:34 pm

Election Fraud, Continued

First, U.S. government sends two armored tanks to quell an antiwar protest in Los Angeles. (Indymedia article here; why is no one else covering it yet?) TANKS. Anyone up for civil war?

Actually, yes. The Republic of Vermont is attempting to declare its independence from the United States. And at least one right-winger wants to kick them out of the U.S. even if they didn't want to go - along with California, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Maryland, and Delaware. Unfortunately, I don't think most right-wing red-staters will go along with this dissolution of the Union, mainly because without the New York, California, and Illinois economies, the red states would have an awful lot more trouble financing their military terrorism of Iraq. Besides, the U.S. is not at all neatly divided into red states and blue states: this map shows the degree of reddishness or bluishness or purpleness in each individual county in the U.S.

Second (or is that third?) . . . I want to talk more about the American election. "But why?" you ask. "It's already over! Even if we do prove the election was stolen, Bush will still never give it back now!" As a matter of fact, I quite agree that there's no way in hell John Kerry will ever take office now. But there are three other reasons that I believe it's absolutely essential to take this election apart piece by piece to the highest possible level.

1. The more fraud we can prove was involved, the angrier Democrats will get. The angrier Democrats get, the more they will organize to oppose Bush's evil plans. The only way Bush's evil plans CAN be stopped, short of the governments of other nations all declaring war on the U.S., is if the Democrats get angry enough to organize to oppose them for all the Democrats are worth. We NEED the Democrats MAD AS HELL.

2. Future elections are going to continue being stolen by Republicans until somebody exposes the fraud to enough media attention to get Democrats angry enough to actually press for fraud-proofing the process. And if you live in Colorado, Florida, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia or Wisconsin, your very own votes have probably already been tampered with, and you have personal reason to care about the links I will be providing in this entry about the voting fraud in your states.

3. I saw Bush quoted just before the election, and unfortunately I've so far been unable to track down the exact quote, but I saw him quoted saying that he couldn't guarantee anything about winning Ohio or the nation, but he did know one thing: he knew for sure that he was definitely going to win Florida. Now, this is an extraordinarily stupid thing to say if the reason you know it is that you have personally arranged or been informed of electoral fraud, but that's still entirely possible since there's abundant evidence that Bush is extraordinarily stupid. Now, if someone can just track down proof he was personally involved, we would have on our hands a brand new Watergate. And even Republican presidents can be impeached if they commit Watergate.

So, with all of the above three items in mind, here's a bunch more of the best links I've found on electoral fraud.

Idea Mouth: Voting Fraud in the 2004 Presidential Election lists suspicious voting numbers in Florida, Indiana, North Carolina, Ohio and Pennsylvania. It also provides the best graph I've yet seen on the the difference between exit polls and official vote tallies in counties with optical scanners versus counties with touchscreen voting.

The Rubber Bug: Florida Chart illustrates with bar graphs how suspiciously many more votes Bush got in many Florida counties than there were registered Republicans in those counties. Truth Out: Bush's 'Incredible' Vote Tallies and Common Dreams: Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked cover much the same issue, but with words instead of graphs.

For an argument based on exit polls that the election was tampered with in Colorado, Florida, New Hampshire, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia, see Blue Lemur: Odds of Bush gaining by 4 percent in all exit polling states 1 in 50,000. Yes, you heard that right: there's a 1 in 50,000 chance that this election wasn't massively tampered with in numerous states, swaying the nationwide vote in Bush's favor by approximately 4%.

For a similar argument based on exit polls that the election was tampered with in Florida, Minnesota, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennnsylvannia and Wisconsin, see Scoop: Vote Fraud - Exit Polls Vs Actuals.

For suspicious election activities in Ohio, try Institute for Public Accuracy: Was the Ohio Election Honest and Fair? and ILCA Online: A Citizen's Report from Ohio and CounterPunch: Votes Aren't the Only Thing Missing in Ohio.

So, what can you do about it? If you're a U.S. citizen, you can call or write to urge the Kerry campaign to demand a full investigation. And whether you're a U.S. citizen or not, you can donate money or time to help BlackBoxVoting.org with their Freedom of Information Act requests.

[identity profile] donutgirl.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I hate to be cynical, but do you really think that Democrats are above voter fraud? Rumor has it that Chicago is notorious for registering dead people.

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't imagine them to be above it, except that all the skewing from the exit polls is in favor of Bush, so if the Democrats did commit fraud, then it appears that the republicans committed enough more fraud to skew the election back the other way.

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, and I should note that the Democrats definitely are guilty of massively unethical election-related behavior in regard to Ralph Nader. Sad how they insist on focusing on the most totally irrelevant opponent.

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
No, I hadn't seen that. Thanks!

[identity profile] haolegirl.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah... why did Kerry concede so quickly and not fight the numbers? That is suspect. Also for Democrats... 11 out of the 11 states voted to ban same sex marriages. By deduction Democrats also voted for these laws. It wasn't just Republicans. Anyway I know that it was fixed here in Florida. In fact in 2000 it was Secretary of State Katherine Harris who declared Bush the winner when Gore clearly won so this isn't new yet I am still suspect that Democrats had a role in both elections as well.

[identity profile] socialismnow.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
The rightwinger who wants to kick them out is joking.

As an admitted "modest proposal" (a la Swift's satiric story of the same name), it is nevertheless serious in pointing out the cancer that continues to threaten our body politic.]

Swift's Modest Proposal advocated (if I recall) cannibalism as a solution to starvation.

[identity profile] socialismnow.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the Democratic leadership is afraid that if they told the public that the elections were rigged, they would unleash huge popular anger which could destabilize the capitalist and imperialist system to which both parties are committed.

[identity profile] dzuunmod.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Tanks to stop the antiwar protesters. Nice.

Reminds me of the headline I once wrote for my university newspaper: "Cops get last laugh at anti-police brutality protest".

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, but I think there's a considerable difference in that the right-winger who wants to kick them out is serious about wanting to do something to stop them from being so leftist, whereas Swift's point was to advocate the diametric opposite of what he was claiming to be advocating.

[identity profile] haolegirl.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah... then they wouldn't have any supporters nor workers to do the dirty work.

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly.

[identity profile] lique.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Angry democrats who don't just let it slide ... do you think that's likely? Genuinely asking; not trying to say it's necessarily not.

[identity profile] donutgirl.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll drink to that.

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2004-11-10 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Democrats cover a broad political spectrum, from "might as well be Republicans" to - well, up until I changed my party registration last spring in frustration at John Kerry having won the primaries, I was one. And I just voted last week for a Democratic Senator and Congressional Representative who both voted against authorizing Bush to invade Iraq, and who both have perfect records of supporting queer rights, and who consistently make me actually feel my views are being represented by them.

I do think there are some Democrats out there (including some in Congress, though I was referring at least as much to the ordinary ones) who will get angry and not let things slide. The question of whether there'll be enough of those angry Democrats out there, or whether they'll be massively outnumbered by ones like John Kerry who just advise everyone to give up and unite behind Bush, remains to be seen - but I do think it's an open question, and not a hopelessly already-resolved one. The more we can publicize and organize protests around issues that will rile Democrats, the more likely it will become.

[identity profile] lavendertook.livejournal.com 2004-11-11 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
I'm so frustrated at the media suppression of these stories, not surprised, just very, very frustrated with that living in an alternate universe feeling. Thanks for this nice compilaton fo the links thus far.

[identity profile] cktraveler.livejournal.com 2004-11-11 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately, considering what Bush is like, he can always say he was sure he'd win Florida because the Teletubbies told him so.

[identity profile] chisparoja.livejournal.com 2004-11-11 01:27 am (UTC)(link)
The north is clearly not the blue paradise that the "Jesusland" map suggests, but the map that you have is also misleading. The Republican Party of New York speaks of borrowing limits and making people work for their welfare checks. The Republican Party of Texas advocates the invasion of Panama and the annexation of the Panama Canal and the that courses on the story Genesis should be considered science classes and mandated in public schools.

So one cannot really equate a red county in New York with a red county in Texas by any means because the platforms of the imperial parties are different depending on region, which does further suggest that the USA is in the grips of a broadly regionalized conflict, even if it is not as acute as the "Jesusland" map would have it. The Democrats in Texas have more in common with the Republicans in New York. Rudolph Giuliani, the ex-Mayor of New York, a fascist, and arguably our version of Bush, favoured equal-opportunity laws for gays and women and is pro-choice.

The county-map does not account for these differences and so it is equally as inaccurate as the "New Canada/Jesusland" map.

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[identity profile] dgowers.livejournal.com 2004-11-14 08:29 am (UTC)(link)
I believe this covers some different ground to the ones already mentioned:
http://www.blogactive.com/letter.htm

focuses mainly on the electronic vote-counting machines and some of the ridiculous inconsistencies in the number of votes vs the number of voters.