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queerbychoice ([personal profile] queerbychoice) wrote2001-08-07 07:59 am

Insight

from frank episale:
"you clearly want to help and teach people; there's no way to do that without sometimes being hurt by their pain."

No. No, I don't want to help and teach people at all. I don't want anything remotely to do with it. I just don't want them to be in need of help and teaching, so I get stuck trying to help and teach them. But what I want is to be surrounded by happy healthy well-educated people who never need anything from me.

I mean, I like to feel useful. But there are only a few little areas that I'm really god at helping people with, and I wish that everybody around me weren't in such desperate need of so many other things that I'm just not really very good at helping with.

I'm a specialist. Not a generalist. If you want to hear about queerness, I have information galore. If you want to hear about literature, gender, or David Bowie, I'm usually pretty good with those subjects too. And there are a few related subjects (other types of art, other types of prejudice and social problems, and musicians that David Bowie has worked with or influenced) that I can usually get by on those without making too much of a mess of things. And I know how to spell. I know the correct postal abbreviations for all 50 U.S. states. I know the names of over 300 universities, and I know all the correct names for whether every law school in the U.S. is correctly referred to as "Law School" or "School of Law" or "College of Law" or "College of the Law," et cetera. I know the correct names of all the U.S. states' state bar associations and most of the citywide ones ("State Bar of California, Bar Association of the District of Columbia, The Association of the Bar of the City of New York"). I know the names of the presidents of most of the PFLAG chapters in the world. I've picked up a lot of miscellaneous information here and there.

But a generalist I am not. So don't come to me for the solution to Life, the Universe and Everything. I'm not God and I'm not Goddess. I don't have all the answers. And I wish people would quit needing things that I don't have and can't give them.

no such thing

[identity profile] frankepi.livejournal.com 2001-08-07 10:17 am (UTC)(link)
gayle, there is no such thing as the meaning of life. there are no answers to the questions you imagine you are being asked. you shouldn't be afraid or embarassed to sometimes say "i don't know." or "i can listen, but i don't know what to say." you do intentionally set yourself up as a leader of sorts, a mentor, and so will be asked some difficult questions and told some painful things. your burden is simply to live with the knowledge of those questions sometimes, not to answer them. the "truth" in these cases might often be that there are no answers, there is no truth.

Re: no such thing

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2001-08-07 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
but there is meaning in my life. maybe i can't prove it objectively, but i feel it and it's enough to keep me going. the problem is that others don't feel it, they haven't found it yet. now, i grant that the meanings we find in life are different for all of us, and this does put some limits on how much help i can be to anyone else who's still searching for the meaning in theirs. it's possible that having found my own meanings may have left me with a few helpful hints that could help some other people find theirs - but i just can't guarantee it. and people keep getting mad at me when i don't have all the answers. or more specifically, they keep getting mad at me because i don't have the perfect tactful sympathetic lines ready to make them feel better about not having all the answers.

i'm also not a nihilist, though. i can't prove nihilism wrong but i don't find nihilism at all useful either, in fact i find it depressing, and since i don't feel like being depressed i choose to ignore nihilism. that means always. i don't know why anyone bothers with nihilism; it just uses up their energy and happiness and never gives them any return on the investment they put into it.

as for intentionally setting myself up as a leader: i set myself up as a good person who knows a lot about choosing to be queer. i am a good person who knows a lot about choosing to be queer. and yes, when people compliment and adore me i like that - anybody would. but that is entirely different from setting myself up as a counseling service. i never intended to set myself up as a counseling service at all. i never ever told anyone "i'm good at dealing with other people's emotional problems." because i'm not. and i know that. i have always known that, ever since i first met anybody who told me about any of their emotional problems.

i can't believe you could possibly mistake my setting myself up as a good person who knows a lot about choosing to be queer for setting myself up as a counselor/deity who can solve all the world's problems. i can't believe so many other people have mistaken it for that too.

your spelling errors made me laugh this morning. that was good. it cheered me up for a moment. but this comment here didn't. maybe you should have included some spelling errors.

[/bitch mode]

Re: no such thing

[identity profile] frankepi.livejournal.com 2001-08-07 01:35 pm (UTC)(link)
i'm not sure whether you thought you were rebutting anything i wrote; your tone was argumentative but your statements didn't contradict or even directly respond to my assertions.

if you allow people to talk to you about one emotional subject, they will talk to you about others. sometimes you will be able to "help" but more often than not the only help you can give will be a sensitive, intelligent, available ear, a presence, a shoulder.

as with all else there is a lot of CHOICE in meaning, and you can't choose someone's meaning(s) for them (although actually i wasn't talking about "meaning", specifically).

the phrase "good person" usually worries me. it can be dangerous to believe that there is any such thing.

hear ar sum speling erorrs fer yu.

--f

Re: no such thing

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2001-08-07 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
if you allow people to talk to you about one emotional subject, they will talk to you about others.

WHY??? I know useful information about some emotional subjects. I do not know useful information about all of them. In fact, a whole lot of them just plain terrify me.

but more often than not the only help you can give will be a sensitive, intelligent, available ear, a presence, a shoulder.

A shoulder is precisely what I am terrible at giving. My shoulder has a very shallow basin, see, and once they put five tears in it it's all full and their tears just start spilling off onto both our laps and getting us unpleasantly wet.

(although actually i wasn't talking about "meaning", specifically).

You used the word.

the phrase "good person" usually worries me. it can be dangerous to believe that there is any such thing.

Personally, I think it's a hell of a lot more dangerous to believe that there isn't any such thing. Again, that's why I'm not a nihilist.

Gayle

i have to agree with frank ...

[identity profile] asrai-d.livejournal.com 2001-08-07 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
You have lots ot teach people You just don't see it. I mean I've leanred a lto from you. and i think Myst has too.

we've learned to question ourself. various beliefs etc. taught us how to think somewaht.

and you are a specialist so you cna teach LOTS of people about those things.

anyway there's more but i can't get my words out properly of late. ..

Asrai

Accidents happen.

(Anonymous) 2001-08-07 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Gayle my darling love...

Sometimes the act of speaking out is an act of leadership. Even if you never intended to become one.

Sometimes, sharing of knowledge shows more wisdom than one knows. The wise never truly admit to being such, and often decline the honour. It is the choice of the student to learn.

If need be, borrow my shoulder - it's more than deep enough for the both of us.

With Love,
- Mary