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queerbychoice ([personal profile] queerbychoice) wrote2004-01-07 12:29 pm

[identity profile] legolastn.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
One of the professors here recently concluded a study on "beauty work." She did a presentation on it last semester, very interesting. She expects to get several papers out of it.

[identity profile] legolastn.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Er, "beauty labor" actually is what I think she calls it.

[identity profile] zendifferential.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
upon viewing the results of this... you have the *least* beauty ritual focused friends list ever! i can't imagine the respondants on my list would be so low-maintenance. interesting.

my work has a dress code, and i adhere to it absolutely minimally - it has an exception for cords, so i wear cords and sweaters almost every day. i don't even *brush* my hair most days. i spend more time trying to keep my acne in check than i do covering it, just because makeup irritates me. (i wear kohl eyeliner on occasion i think almost for shock value? haha, eye make up with naked skin is funny).

When they introduced the dress code, I seriously felt they should compensate us in some way for having to buy new clothes - we were Silicon Valley brats, for chrissake, we didn't own nice slacks and shirts! Nevermind nylons... *gag*

[identity profile] jkatj.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 01:07 pm (UTC)(link)
When I started a new job 1+ years ago, they expected "business dress" from everyone. So I went out and bought all new fucking clothes for this lousy job. Shortly after I started, they changed the dress code to "business casual." I could scarcely afford the first new wardrobe, so I certainly wasn't going to replace it.

I was so pissed, though. I mean, even cheapass Sears "business" clothes cost more than I'm comfortable spending on clothes. They really should have reimbursed me. Bastids.

[identity profile] zendifferential.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
That would have annoyed me to *no* end.

The company I work for is a big Texas multinational, and what's funny is... the people who come through for corporate, while they adhere to the dress code, always look SO shitty. They wear clothes that don't fit them, that don't look comfortable, and don't look at all right on them... these big suits and ugly ties, and especially the brightly coloured women's suits... and I think, really, don't I look more professional in clothes I'm comfortable in, than I would in bad clothes, for show? Ahh, that was a digression, but anyway...

But yeah, the amount of money it costs to upgrade a wardrobe is absolutely silly - I guess executives don't care, but for the rest of us... grrrr.

[identity profile] yay4pikas.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, and makeup just makes acne worse. Keeping it in check is about all I can manage as it is.

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
It's true, I do have the least beauty ritual focused friends list ever. It delights me to see it!

[identity profile] deadinmotion.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
you're just jealous of my hat box.

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2004-01-08 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
How much would you be willing to sell it for? Can I get an autographed one?

Amendment...

[identity profile] moominmuppet.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 01:06 pm (UTC)(link)
In the last question, I answered only thinking about hair/makeup/etc, forgetting about clothes.

The body stuff I do, although I enjoy that others enjoy it, is largely for me (what I bother to shave, having clean hair, things I like the smell of, etc) Clothing is more of a social conformity thing. I don't spend much effort on it, and tend to get away with 'bare minimum acceptable levels' but it is definitely something that would change if other's opinions weren't a factor. I'd spend a lot more time naked, and a lot more time in general purpose utilitarian coveralls and such (probably decorated in odd ways).

[identity profile] deadinmotion.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
you should see my new work oatmeal box hat that i'm wearing. it's fucking class, baby.

[identity profile] donutgirl.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Would you consider flossing health or personal appearance? I would never floss ever if my boi hadn't brought it up. But using certain subtle clues, he indicated he wouldn't kiss me if I didn't floss, so I started. I don't really believe it does anything useful, but you probably do, since you're way neurotic about your teeth.

When my brother started working at his lawfirm, they advanced him money to buy suits with. It was taken out of his paycheck, not added on to it, but still...

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2004-01-08 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
I'm neurotic about my teeth? Really? I would never ever ever think of myself that way. But you're correct that I do believe it does something useful. Though I also believe that some people can get away without it whereas others can't - some people, such as [livejournal.com profile] sankta, get record-breakingly huge cavities at record-breakingly fast speeds despite obsessive flossing all day long, due to a low pH balance or weak bones or other such things - the same as some people get broken bones much easier because their bones are weaker: some people also get cavities much easier because their teeth are weaker or their immune system's defense of them is weaker.

[identity profile] donutgirl.livejournal.com 2004-01-08 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
I was thinking of this (http://www.livejournal.com/users/queerbychoice/312546.html) entry...

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2004-01-08 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I thought so, but see . . . it's not some vague "maybe I'm imagining it" kind of pain I'm talking about. There's this one spot on this one tooth where, if I press it even lightly with my fingernail, it takes all the restraint I can muster to suppress bloodcurdling shrieks. I mean, really, wouldn't you be awfully worried by that too?

Since two separate dentists have now assured me after conducting X-rays that there's absolutely no decay there, my current theory is that a nerve inside the tooth has just grown much closer to the surface than it was supposed to.

[identity profile] deardonut.livejournal.com 2004-01-08 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
Anyone would be concerned about tooth pain (although in this case I think it's probably a sore of some kind) - there's nothing neurotic about that.

I was referring more to your panic about the x-rays, and your decision to switch dentists because you felt you weren't being taken seriously, and your compulsive need to stay precisely up to date with your check-ups. Whereas, most people would have just bought some lidocaine and applied it liberally to their gums.

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2004-01-08 10:08 am (UTC)(link)
It's not my gums that hurt. It's the tooth. A very specific spot on the tooth. And a sore wouldn't stay there in the same place for over a year.

[identity profile] donutgirl.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
P.S. I put down an hour for make-up application because I polish my nails at least once a week, generally. I don't use any other form of make-up...

I feel weird being the person who uses the most make-up on your list. Strange sample of people...

[identity profile] donutgirl.livejournal.com 2004-01-07 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, I neither earn money nor am I handed money by my parents. I live off my meager savings, which makes me quite poor. Thus, I spend no money on clothes or beauty products. (My big christmas splurge was buying dental floss)

[identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com 2004-01-08 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd extend my answer on the "overtime" question by saying that the workplace should only pay overtime/reimburse costs of attention to personal appearance if they required an above-average appearance. So if you need a uniform for your job, they should supply the uniform. If you need you to bleach your teeth, they should pay for the bleach. But if they just need you to comb your hair, that's different- they just want you to not be obviously a slob. Everyone has to comb/trim their hair and take showers regularly, you would (hopefully!) do so even if you were jobless, just because it's not socially acceptable to appear in public unwashed and unkempt.

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2004-01-09 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
Why should people continue spending their own money to be "socially acceptable" when they're not working? If I didn't have to have a job I wouldn't be in public more than once every two weeks or so for a quick trip to the grocery store, and the rest of the time I'd just stay inside and never wear clothes. So I'd only ever need one or two outfits. The fact that I own more clothes than that is only due to having a job and thinking that how well I dress on the job could make a difference in how much I get paid.

[identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com 2004-01-09 08:33 am (UTC)(link)
I think you're just very very... special.