When I thought about it, my only associations with the word "wholesome" are freckles and whole-wheat bread. I guess I also have some images of "well-balanced" meals, Norman Rockwell, and for some reason, Willa Cather. What made you think to apply this word to yourself and/or people on your friends list?
Ah, but pickles are inherently more wholesome than red meat, no matter what they're used for. I mean, if you masturbate with meat, that's necrophilia and bestiality both at once!
... the implied right we have or should have to choose unconventional and extra-"norm"al modes of sexual behavior/interaction/pleasure) does rather qualify as "decadent," by my ideas of the current standards of the dominant culture, yes?
Me, I didn't answer the first one cuz I am pretty sure that I am both. But then I rather bristle at dualism anyway.
Well, the question was which are you more, not which are you at all; so if it's even, I figure that equals not being sure which might be the tiniest bit more.
a) I don't know anyone who masturbates with red meat, so I think that's largely irrelevant. But I will happily grant that such a person would be pretty unwholesome.
b) I do not grant, however, that pickles are inherently less wholesome than red meat. Pickles are essentially rotten, fermented cucumbers. It's a form of decay by design, and as such, is extremely decadent.
c) while we're on the subject of necrophilia, you seriously hope people will have sex with your body after you're dead. If that's not decadent (not to mention revolting), nothing is.
I'm more decadent. I'm a subversive at heart, and, in particular, I have problems with capitalism and class in this country, the home of Wholesome. Plus I got plenty of disapproval back in Kansas for not dressing femininely or wearing a bra, and, no doubt, for holding hands with and kissing my girlfriend in public. Bless the hearts of the locals, though---they may disapprove like all get-out, but they just think disapproving thoughts and have uncomfortable looks on their faces; 95+% of the time they won't say anything to ya!
You have an extraordinary memory for dredging up my most unconventional statements from years ago. Really though, it wasn't exactly that I hoped people would, but rather that I don't mind whether they do or not and I would like people to feel free to if they happen to want to.
It's interesting what different definitions people have for the words "decadent" and "wholesome." They both tend to lead so some rather problematic groupings of "conventional" with "healthy" and "unconventional" with "unhealthy."
But personally, I'd classify you as way more "wholesome" than "decadent." Especially after you confessed that you make the bed every day! I can't possibly imagine ever doing that.
Especially after you confessed that you make the bed every day
I started when H. left. Dunno why. Some gesture toward keeping house, I think, initially for the duration of the separation, with an idea that my emotional stability might like it. Plus I do like to have a made bed to get into at night. That way the cat hasn't dragged bits of kitty litter into the sheets in his ample (polydactylicious) feet.
The word "decadent" makes me think of goth ladies in highly-piled hairdos and low-cut black silk dresses drinking red wine together from crystal goblets. :p
i want to second a comment made in some thread here, and go even further than the original statement had been intended. I would HOPE that people have sex with my body after I'm dead, I mean, I'd have to be pretty damn sexy for that, wouldn't I?
Maybe not, maybe they're just desperate. I really want to know what compels someone to practice that! Is it mental..."deviance"? i hate saying that though...Is it illness? I'd like to think there are other reasons! Hmm, well i'll look it up or you can look it up for me! ;)
Methodman: did you all have silence for fags day at your school today? ribbitchic: mhmm
Methodman: did u participate? ribbitchic: damn straight Methodman: why? ribbitchic : why not? ribbitchic: why not support the rights of people ribbitchic: i mean ribbitchic: i really just do it bc it's some semblance of deviance ribbitchic: and less for it's actual purpose ribbitchic: shrugs Methodman: first and formost it dosent mmake sense, what rights have they been refused, theyve made a fad out of themselves, no ones opressing them, they just want stronger recognition as a special interest group, u wanna be deviant why not take a real stand, what have gay people suffered, theyve had a nonstop rainbow fest since 1971, why in gods name do people bless them with the attention that they scream for so desperatly? Methodman: weak Methodman: a weak celebration for a weak collection of people Methodman: and you...
Methodman: if you were deviant youd tell them to shut up and act like men ribbitchic: most of them are women ribbitchic: anyway
Methodman: but...
ribbitchic: let people be what their gonne be and do it up their style
Methodman: their style is contagious to the weakminded like ignorance, and needs to be stopped, forgetten, forgotten... Methodman: back into their closets and caves out of fear of damnation Methodman: until they are altogether silenced Methodman: the the chemicaly imblanced of their kind will reamain ribbitchic: im going to sleep Methodman: and then of course, forced surgerys to deal with the likes of them ribbitchic: goodnight Methodman: oh yes, forced surgeries, and circus tents:-D, cuz seriosly thoin most cases it is an unblanced un-natural "alternative" meaning chosen state and is there for scientificly incorrect. Everything is one, except when specificly separate for a purpose, they go against that purpose, serve no function and defy the laws of science and nature just to prove they have a choice. Its important for us that justified by our mental and biological correctness to step in and correct them. those u seek identity throgh unity and understanding are clearly unfit to to contribute to the generations
ribbitchic: I guess your right about that, fuck that passive shit, theyve ruined rainbows for me, how can we make the sexes pure again?
I take it you never masturbate or use any methods of birth control, since you imagine that just because a particular sexual experience can't produce babies, that somehow makes it wrong to do it for enjoyment or affection either.
oh you hetboys and your irrational, hysterical, emotion-dominated brains. something gives you a wee fright and right away "kill them all". that's why you hetboys should not be allowed to vote, hold office, drive cars, or do much of anything.... you're just too emotional.
btw, thanks a bunch for the middle ages; so sad it went out of style.
damn it, every time i start to forget people like that exist, they jump up and bite me in the ass! i don't even want to know what kind of surgery he's talking about, but i do know how i feel about his little, as you say, hetboy tendencies. i vote: cut it out, or we cut it off! ok, just kidding on that one...but i saw it on a feminist button, and i wanted to test it out.
oh, and on the necrophelia note...i just think far too often it actually involves killing people in order to sleep with them. plus, how enjoyable is sex with a corpse, seriously folks! listen, there are plenty of live ones left, why on earth does someone have to be dead for you to "have sex" with them? it's like glorified masturbation or something (scorn of masturbation implied only when it must involve a corpse). seems to me a blow-up doll would suffice at that point, which is a whole other issue...ok...i'm just rambling know; i think the exhaustion has set in....
Not that I think an anonymous poster will stick around (as a moderator elsewhere, I've noticed that they seldom do) but if he does, I would ask him to check out this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312192398/qid=1082677950/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-4705096-8819839?v=glance&s=books) book. It's all about homosexuality in nature. Anyone who thinks it's unnatural and that queer humans do not contribute to the human population is very ignorant when it comes to the biological sciences. I mean, by his rationale, evolution would weed out homosexuality pretty early on. But here it is, billions of years into life on planet earth, and homosexuality is still around. Could that be because its....ummm...natural?
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p.s. you eat very poorly balanced meals.
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Me, I didn't answer the first one cuz I am pretty sure that I am both. But then I rather bristle at dualism anyway.
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b) I do not grant, however, that pickles are inherently less wholesome than red meat. Pickles are essentially rotten, fermented cucumbers. It's a form of decay by design, and as such, is extremely decadent.
c) while we're on the subject of necrophilia, you seriously hope people will have sex with your body after you're dead. If that's not decadent (not to mention revolting), nothing is.
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I'm more decadent. I'm a subversive at heart, and, in particular, I have problems with capitalism and class in this country, the home of Wholesome. Plus I got plenty of disapproval back in Kansas for not dressing femininely or wearing a bra, and, no doubt, for holding hands with and kissing my girlfriend in public. Bless the hearts of the locals, though---they may disapprove like all get-out, but they just think disapproving thoughts and have uncomfortable looks on their faces; 95+% of the time they won't say anything to ya!
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But personally, I'd classify you as way more "wholesome" than "decadent." Especially after you confessed that you make the bed every day! I can't possibly imagine ever doing that.
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I started when H. left. Dunno why. Some gesture toward keeping house, I think, initially for the duration of the separation, with an idea that my emotional stability might like it. Plus I do like to have a made bed to get into at night. That way the cat hasn't dragged bits of kitty litter into the sheets in his ample (polydactylicious) feet.
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I think Gayle is maybe being a little playful with us here, don't you? "Who, l'il ol' meeee? decadent?"
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Maybe not, maybe they're just desperate. I really want to know what compels someone to practice that! Is it mental..."deviance"? i hate saying that though...Is it illness? I'd like to think there are other reasons! Hmm, well i'll look it up or you can look it up for me! ;)
--Marielle.
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(Anonymous) 2004-04-22 06:23 am (UTC)(link)ribbitchic: mhmm
Methodman: did u participate?
ribbitchic: damn straight
Methodman: why?
ribbitchic : why not?
ribbitchic: why not support the rights of people
ribbitchic: i mean
ribbitchic: i really just do it bc it's some semblance of deviance
ribbitchic: and less for it's actual purpose
ribbitchic: shrugs
Methodman: first and formost it dosent mmake sense, what rights have they been refused, theyve made a fad out of themselves, no ones opressing them, they just want stronger recognition as a special interest group, u wanna be deviant why not take a real stand, what have gay people suffered, theyve had a nonstop rainbow fest since 1971, why in gods name do people bless them with the attention that they scream for so desperatly?
Methodman: weak
Methodman: a weak celebration for a weak collection of people
Methodman: and you...
Methodman: if you were deviant youd tell them to shut up and act like men
ribbitchic: most of them are women
ribbitchic: anyway
Methodman: but...
ribbitchic: let people be what their gonne be and do it up their style
Methodman: their style is contagious to the weakminded like ignorance, and needs to be stopped, forgetten, forgotten...
Methodman: back into their closets and caves out of fear of damnation
Methodman: until they are altogether silenced
Methodman: the the chemicaly imblanced of their kind will reamain
ribbitchic: im going to sleep
Methodman: and then of course, forced surgerys to deal with the likes of them
ribbitchic: goodnight
Methodman: oh yes, forced surgeries, and circus tents:-D, cuz seriosly thoin most cases it is an unblanced un-natural "alternative" meaning chosen state and is there for scientificly incorrect. Everything is one, except when specificly separate for a purpose, they go against that purpose, serve no function and defy the laws of science and nature just to prove they have a choice. Its important for us that justified by our mental and biological correctness to step in and correct them. those u seek identity throgh unity and understanding are clearly unfit to to contribute to the generations
ribbitchic: I guess your right about that, fuck that passive shit, theyve ruined rainbows for me, how can we make the sexes pure again?
Methodman: simply erase the mistakes.
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btw, thanks a bunch for the middle ages; so sad it went out of style.
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oh, and on the necrophelia note...i just think far too often it actually involves killing people in order to sleep with them. plus, how enjoyable is sex with a corpse, seriously folks! listen, there are plenty of live ones left, why on earth does someone have to be dead for you to "have sex" with them? it's like glorified masturbation or something (scorn of masturbation implied only when it must involve a corpse). seems to me a blow-up doll would suffice at that point, which is a whole other issue...ok...i'm just rambling know; i think the exhaustion has set in....
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Not that I think an anonymous poster will stick around (as a moderator elsewhere, I've noticed that they seldom do) but if he does, I would ask him to check out this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0312192398/qid=1082677950/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-4705096-8819839?v=glance&s=books) book. It's all about homosexuality in nature. Anyone who thinks it's unnatural and that queer humans do not contribute to the human population is very ignorant when it comes to the biological sciences. I mean, by his rationale, evolution would weed out homosexuality pretty early on. But here it is, billions of years into life on planet earth, and homosexuality is still around. Could that be because its....ummm...natural?