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queerbychoice ([personal profile] queerbychoice) wrote2006-07-08 12:12 am

Ironized Yeast for Keira Knightley

[livejournal.com profile] keryx linked a while back to an article about finding an advertisement in a 1933 issue of Woman's World magazine for Ironized Yeast, a "special quick way to put pounds on fast":
"Now there's no need to have people calling you 'skinny,' and losing all your chances of making and keeping friends. Here's a new, easy treatment that is giving thousands healthy flesh and attractive curves--in just a few weeks! . . .

Skinniness is a serious danger. Authorities warn that skinny, anemic, nervous people are far more liable to serious infections and fatal wasting disease than the strong, well-built person. So begin at once to get back the rich blood and healthy flesh you need. Do it before it is too late!"
I think the endless advertisements for diet programs these days would be significantly less annoying if there were any advertisements mixed in with them that promised to help people gain weight. At least then there'd be some acknowledgment that there at least is some such thing as excessive skinniness, and of people who want to gain weight and have trouble doing so. It still wouldn't be ideal; ideally, there'd be no advertisements claiming that either weighing a lot or weighing very little would cost you "all your chances of making and keeping friends" or signify that you must automatically possess certain personality traits ("skinny, anemic, nervous people"). But it would be less bad than the current situation, I think. Currently, to the extent that our culture has any concept of such a thing as "too skinny" at all, the concept is only of anorexic women who wish they were even skinnier. There's no concept at all of the fact that gaining weight can be as difficult as losing it, or that anyone anywhere would ever even want to gain weight.

Meanwhile, [livejournal.com profile] bay_bus_rider linked today to photographs of nightmarishly anorexic Keira Knightley, which I do not recommend that you click on unless you have a very strong stomach, because I am not exaggerating when I say that those photographs are likely to make you feel physically nauseated and to give you nightmares. Anyway, I'd been meaning for a while to link to the Ironized Yeast thing, and now Keira Knightley has provided an absolutely perfect illustration of what excessive skinniness exists around us, and thus of how absurd it is for us to be endlessly surrounded with advertisements promising only to help people lose weight, and never to help people gain any.
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[identity profile] rhekarid.livejournal.com 2006-07-08 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
And assertion that it's genetic further validates the assumption of bigots that it's a disease that can and should be cured, while assertion that it's uncontrollably formed through conditioning validates that it's a mental illness/condition that can be removed through psychiatry.

I don't mean to fight anyone else's battles, but people who ignorantly hate you will invent the means to justify it regardless of logic. It is equally ignorant not to acknowledge that some people CAN choose, as it is not to acknowledge that some are born that way. If the same scenario equally applied to all people universally, we'd be the same and there would be no different sexualities in the first place.

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2006-07-08 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Whether people are born gay is an issue for scientists to prove, not something that people can somehow know instinctively. It is perfectly valid to debate whether gayness is inborn or not; however, it would indeed be ignorant to assert that all gay people WANT to be gay, and I would never assert that.

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2006-07-08 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
The purpose of coming out in the first place is to be able to be ourselves, to speak about our own experiences and tell the truths about our lives as best we know it, and be able to feel that our expeirences have been understood. I am speaking mine, and by speaking it, I have helped provide places where hundreds of others have been able to feel that their experiences of choosing to be queer are finally understood by others too.

As for your boldface statement, it is my opinion that the belief in a "gay gene" harms gay rights. Please see my FAQ questions "Does the idea of choice encourage homophobes to say that queers don't deserve equal rights?" and "What is the difference between essentialist and social constructionist techniques for fighting homophobia?"

But even if the belief in a gay gene didn't harm gay rights, the denial that any of us can choose to be queer still certainly harms the rights of queer by choice people, who comprise approximately 8% of the queer community (see the link on that page to the Internet Survey of Queer and Questioning Youth, under #3). For the mainstream queer community to decide to sacrifice the rights of the approximately 8% minority of queer people who choose to be queer is just as bad as for the mainstream human community to decide to sacrifice the rights of the approximately 10% minority of all people who are queer at all. Queer by choice people have a right to be able to talk about our experiences and not everywhere encounter people trying to tell us that we're the only ones who've ever felt such a thing. And I intend to continue asserting that right.

Eh.

[identity profile] comeoneileen.livejournal.com 2006-07-08 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
What [livejournal.com profile] rhekarid said. And I hope I'm not being inexcusably rude here, but I really dislike this assumption that homosexuality is something that needs to be conclusively explained away, like a blemish or a birth defect, for the benefit of gawking bigots. Same-sex relationships are not immoral, period. If they were, it wouldn't matter how genetically predisposed to them you were. They aren't, and the question of whether or not "being gay" is a choice is a question with as much moral import as whether or not there's a specific DNA marker for liking American cheese. The pro-compulsory-heterosexuality crowd isn't really about to start piling on the equal rights out of pity for the poor queers what just can't help themselves. We have nothing to gain from playing to their prejudices.

Teh Gay is not a disability. Gay rights are not concessions graciously accorded to those unfortunate souls whom fate has denied a normal libido. Nothing about same-sex attraction makes it less complex and bewildering than the heterosexual kind; maybe "by choice" vs. "no choice" is a little bit of a false dichotomy anyway. But even if it weren't? There's no reason why we should all have to pretend like we had absolutely no say in the matter at all just so the religious right can have a little smug pity mixed in with their hate.

[livejournal.com profile] queerbychoice is speaking from personal experience when e talks about being, well, queer by choice, and I don't know, maybe you should respect that a little.
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Burn!

[identity profile] comeoneileen.livejournal.com 2006-07-09 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
But think of all the fun otherwise perfectly legitimate arguments you're missing!

Oh, well.

(Somehow, knowing that my unholy love of bad Internet humor makes white noise of everything else I say only makes the flame of that illicit passion burn all the brighter. And I spent a good fifteen minutes typing up that comment, too. Sigh, sigh.)




Re: Burn!

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2006-07-09 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
Considering that you received more of a reply from that person than any of the rest of us did, it appears to me that the "teh" actually had the opposite effect of what she claimed. Only people who use "teh" receive replies from her!