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queerbychoice ([personal profile] queerbychoice) wrote2008-11-18 12:32 am

Elton John Lies! Separate Is Not Equal at All

Elton John is an internalized homophobe. He says, "If gay people want to get married, or get together, they should have a civil partnership." Proposition 8 supporters have already begun using this quote from him in their post-election fundraising efforts.

First of all, even if Elton John's statement that "You get the same equal rights that we do when we have a civil partnership" were true in the legal sense (which it isn't), there's more to marriage than the formal legal rights involved. Marriage is also about informal social rights: the right to introduce your spouse with a label that everyone understands the exact meaning of, such as "husband" or "wife," rather than a label like "domestic partner" that nobody quite knows the laws regarding, nobody quite knows the seriousness of, and nobody anywhere can imagine whispering it into a beloved's ear - "My beloved domestic partner! I love you so much! You're the most beautiful domestic partner in the world!"

But a second, less understood problem with the "separate but equal" approach is that when two groups' legal rights are kept "separate but equal," the formal legal rights invariably end up unequal as well. For example, [livejournal.com profile] elfwreck recently posted in the [livejournal.com profile] gay_marriage community a list of nine differences in the legal status of California domestic partnerships versus marriages. These are nine differences under California state law, in addition to the many, many more differences resulting from the fact that federal law doesn't recognize either domestic partnerships or same-sex marriages. (And when federal law eventually does get around to recognizing all marriages equally, as President Elect Obama said last summer that he would support, it almost certainly still won't recognize any "separate but equal" partnership types created to segregate queers.) And these differences in California state law's treatment of domestic partnerships and marriages persist even in spite of the fact that California state law also specifically states that "Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights, protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules, government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses."

To name just a few of the most egregious of the nine differences: Domestic partners in California are required to live together before they can register as domestic partners. Can you imagine the outcry if heterosexuals were required to live together before they were allowed to get married? This requirement feels to me like a deliberate effort to run the "living in sin" notion in our faces. Also, marriages are legally solemnized in a ceremony with witnesses, signifying the involvement of society in celebrating and supporting the marriage; domestic partnerships are registered just by filling out some paperwork, signifying that theirs is a contract between two individuals alone, that the rest of society does not celebrate. Couples can have a "confidential marriage" in California, in which no record of the marriage is ever made available to the general public, but domestic partnerships are required to be public - the benefits of domestic partnership come only at the cost of making oneself a public target for potential discrimination.

[identity profile] dzuunmod.livejournal.com 2008-11-18 02:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it was on On The Media over the weekend that I listened to an interview with a woman who's written a social history of marriage who talked about marriage as the "passport" word, that everyone understands, whether you're in California or on vacation in another country...

It was interesting.

[identity profile] socialismnow.livejournal.com 2008-11-26 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Having read Elton John's comments, I am not absolutely sure whether he was saying that he opposes the legalisation of gay marriage, or only that he thinks it would have been wise for its supporters to call it something else. Either way his comments seem misjudged and unhelpful.

His equation of civil partnerships with marriage - in terms of the rights conferred - seems to be pretty much correct in terms of the UK situation, so I think he is speaking more out of ignorance than anything else - though I agree there's no excuse for not allowing same-sex couples to get married complete with the word "marriage" and completely equal status.

I wonder, though, whether being a civil partner really would or should stop someone from introducing themselves as a husband or wife or as married in jurisdictions where the status is equivalent. Certainly the press often uses the term "marriage" to refer to civil partnerships, even though it's not the legal name for it. E.g. MSNBC.

[identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com 2008-11-27 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
I found the opposite situation with the press in California: while same-sex marriage was legal here, the press almost always referred to same-sex married couples as "partners," as if they weren't actually married at all. On very rare occasions they sometimes used the gender-neutral "spouses," but I don't think I saw a single instance of "husband" or "wife" in reference to a same-sex couple in the mainstream media. The concept that a man could have a husband or a woman could have a wife, rather than a "spouse" or a "partner," never seemed to actually be put forth in the media, except of course in the queer media.